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Thursday, 27 May 2010

'Lost' Explained: a Disappointment.
'Lost' Answers.

There’s a definition for this — a total fraud. They’ve been having us on all along!

Lost. The island
'Lost'. The island.
I've never felt so duped, to think that I've wasted two hours watching this heap of monumental bullshit — I'm still kicking myself. The most depressive (I was hesitating over whether to hurl the TV set from the balcony or simply drop it on somebody’s head), cloyingly sentimental and botched up finale I’ve ever seen. You could put up with it in a one-season show, but six years to end up in a swamp of absurdity!

Makes you suspect that some kind of electromagnetic event did indeed addled the writers and producers’ brains.
Although the masterminds behind the show might have provided a valuable clue as to the messiness of the plot in an interview, ‘The show feels like it’s not something we made, but something that already existed and we got a chance to tap into it’.
OK, maybe it’s not entirely the writers’ fault — they just somehow sneaked into the parallel universe, documented the events and were kicked out before they latched on to the meaning. Would do as an excuse.

Here go some of the cobblers this show is rife with:

  • Child Jacob shows up to snatch the ashes and is visible to everyone for no reason at all, but only Hurley can see grown-up Jacob before he uses the ashes to materialise his body.
  • Inexplicably, Smokey was the only one who couldn’t leave the island, while Jacob, who’d never been eager to move elsewhere, cruised around the world, made friends, learned languages but wouldn't let his brother do the same on the grounds of him being dangerous for some obscure reason.
  • Lost. The crash
    'Lost'. The crash.
  • Widmore, his gang, Ben and a horde of people I don’t remember shuttled to and from the island as they pleased probably because they were either alive (but could see the dead on the island), or most of them were just an illusory setting for the “survivors” much the same as an inexhaustible food supply, experiments, a white bear, the dog, time travel and all the rest. In other words, a sort of tailored virtual reality the heroes were put into like video game characters.
  • Neither did we learn what Widmore sought on the island — to use its Source as a weapon of mass destruction? Nor who on earth should the island be protected from?
  • However, the main characters can only plane crash on the island, I guess because they were flawed — and who isn’t on this bloody planet?
  • The idea that the island was supposed to prevent evil from going into the world is downright ridiculous, since it’s actually the outside world that is the realm of Evil and therefore the island should be protected from it. So how would the MIB’s departure make any difference?
  • What was the point of Jacob and the MIB’s background story? Why didn’t the Smoke monster kill everyone before Desmond pulled out the plug and turned him into a mere mortal? Why did false Locke insist so stubbornly on travelling by plane? What was the point of the statue of Taweret — the Guardian of the Underworld? Did the island finally sink? We’ll never know. And who cares?
Smokey is without doubt either an allegory of the Tempter or of our internal demons, although to my eye he is the only positive hero in the midst of all this rubbish — an innocent victim of his fanatical fake mummy and a cold-blooded manipulative and treacherous maniac fratricide packed with good intentions. Shame we’ll never know who the first psycho dictator of the island was.
Come to think of it, Eloise qualifies as a founding mother, remember she wasn’t keen on Desmond disturbing her snug limbo she and her hubby comfortably nested in. Either that or she was just an illusion like everything else.
 
Lost. The EM device 1
'Lost'.
The EM device.
Lost. The EM device 2
'Lost'. The EM device.
Desmond had been dead(?) all along (most likely the rest of the group died in the Oceanic 815 crash or not), instead Penny was alive, that’s why she never got to the island, never remembered anything in the alternate reality and wasn’t in the church either (oh, they say she was, I must have overlooked that). Desmond was most likely dubbed a new Purgatory janitor after Ben, Hurley and Jack left.

The alternate reality was but a meeting place and limbo for the characters waiting to cross to the other side in company, but first they had to be dead on or off the island — a metaphor for the end of the trial.

Any show, sci-fi, action movie (even those featuring Jean-Clod Van Damm) or horror flick makes more sense than a bunch of sissy, sloppily snogging ghosts, happy at the prospect of finally leaving this vale of tears.

Lost. The source
'Lost'. The source.
The only bright moment and definitely an all-time high was Locke exterminating the evil pensioner and his mad bitch. I really relished the scene!

To cut a long story short, the island turned out to be a Purgatory. Similarly, what we call life might be actually death, this world is most likely a Purgatory or Hell for most people and Paradise for the lucky few (as well as Hell), and death is actually a gate to true life.

Lost. The Temple
'Lost'. The Temple.
This show was obviously sponsored by the Vatican (at least it reeks of religious propaganda): six years of convoluted plot building up to some kind of Baptism followed by the glorious Ascension of the redeemed souls that found peace and love through apotheosis of faith in the bosom of Christianity, guided by a homegrown St. Peter, or Archangel Gabriel or whoever took on Christian Sheppard’s shape. We might as well re-read the Bible.

See, this way the writers didn’t have to bother about logical structure of the plot or giving some kind of closure to the skein of threads — you just throw in religion, faith, redemption, catharsis, moral cleansing and spiritual purification through repentance and it will account for everything.

Actually Hurley tipped us off quite some time ago, ‘We’re all dead, dude’, but we wouldn’t listen, would we?

There’s hardly anyone on this planet who hadn’t put forth this theory back in the first season — the writers couldn’t have come up with anything more predictable or have chosen a more beaten path (The Sixth Sense, The Others, etc, etc, etc). The idea flashed through my mind after a couple of episodes and I quickly discarded it as offensively stupid, simple and corny for any minimally developed brain.

Lost. The Fountain
'Lost'. The Fountain.
The studio’s strategy is pretty clear: get bums on seats in the first season, hold the suspense for as many seasons as possible to string them along, then when the ratings start to slide, the writers’ imagination is on the wane, and after they’ve milked the project for all it’s worth, bang out some slapdash slushy ending to wrap the show up — no need to worry about the ratings any more, fans will watch it anyway just out of curiosity. It’s on a par with modern art in general — some smarties belch out any meaningless trash and leave it to the dupes to read a deep meaning into it.

I wonder if the writers got paid for this balderdash, unless they use it in drama schools as an example of “how to mangle a good show”. I’m pretty sure any of my most surrealistic dreams would qualify more for a script.
All in all, obviously there’s no respect whatsoever for the viewers who the show makers clearly take for spaced out morons.

So much for tricky plot, quantum equations, techno-babble, philosophical musings and profound quotes — it all came down to the characters and their relationships, not the mysteries! Then what's the point of the mysteries?

Lost. The Waterfall
'Lost'. The Waterfall.
Who would have thought that what started as an intriguing action-packed sci-fi show would degenerate into a banal fairytale melodrama? In the end, it failed to measure up to any genre of quality filmmaking.

The final scene is truly sickening — the happy-clappy brethren having a schmaltz-fest and gawking at their pastor, while morally bleached and spiritually cleansed Ben, still looking like a sadistic pervert trying to make up his mind whether to flash the congregation or streak into the church, is sitting meekly on the bench outside.

I have to admit that in a way, the authors managed to make a point — nothing in this world makes sense or has any significance.

Word has it, they might be going to either include extra 20 minutes into the DVD release and thus tie up loose ends, which is physically impossible, or to shoot a sequel. Well, I wouldn’t put it past them. (Yes, they did it!).

We could also get back at them and never ever watch anything created by these writers, producers or ABC studious, unless their next show is about corrupt politicians, embezzlers, bankers, drug dealers, terrorists, child abusers and the like being tortured in Hell by a swarm of raving devils.

Credit where credit is due, the soundtrack is the best part of the show, after all it was written by an Italian.

Lost. The Wreckage
'Lost'. The wreckage.

PS.   It has just dawned on me that the denouement of ‘Lost’ is a shameless rip-off of 2008 movie ‘Passengers’ directed by Rodrigo García, written by Ronnie Christensen, produced by TriStar Pictures and Mandate Pictures, starring Anne Hathaway, and narrating the same freak story of ghosts paddling desperately through Limbo and being spiritually washed in the process.
Isn’t it called plagiarism? Is there going to be a lawsuit?
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[Update]  ‘Lost' Answers.

Impossible cube
Impossible cube.
That's the sense 'Lost' makes.
Thinking people usually ask the question "why?", Pollyannas with switched off brains usually buy any answer to this question.

A story that doesn't answers the questions it raised is written by talentless frauds and obviously targets the sheeple, I should've known.

But don't worry, numerous fanboys of the show figured out the answers to each and every mystery, inconsistency or plot hole.

Remember the black horse that only made its appearance to greet Kate? It was a symbol (so now it's a Buñuel surrealist movie, shame they didn't make the horse fly). Of what? The answer is: You don’t need to know.

MIB couldn't leave the island ...... because he couldn't.

The Dharma supplies kept coming long after the initiative was exterminated .... because they DID.

Who kept paying for them? — it doesn't matter.

When did Jacob invite Charles to the island? — you've missed it because you didn't pay close attention.

What means did Jacob use to travel all over world? — we don’t need to know how he got there, just that he DID.

Why couldn't Jacob be killed by Smokey, but let Ben kill him? — because he wanted so.

How was the Swan station built if every 108 minutes a button had to be pressed to avoid the catastrophe it was built to prevent? — we don't need to know.

How did that Japanese guy (who was actually lured to the island by Jacob, when he was on the verge of committing Seppucu after having dishonoured his family) protect the temple, and what was that powder that kept Smokey off? — it doesn't matter, he just DID!

Why was Walt able to see future, project himself, speak backwards? — because he DID!

Why were the Others afraid of him? — because they were or it doesn't matter, it's your choice!

How come Ben and Charles who hated each other shared the submarine? — because they DID!

Why didn't Eloise and Charles want to leave the Limbo? — because they DIDN'T! and so on....

It does indeed take a rocket scientist to find these answers in the show!

Thank you guys, now everything is clear and all questions have been ANSWERED!
Since the show is open to interpretation, mine is as good as anyone else's.

Well, that's a load of trash in my book.

It's along the lines of:

Rule #1. The Chief is always right.
Rule #2. When the Chief is wrong see rule #1.
And that's all you, sheeple, need to know.

Actually, the answer "Because That's The Way It Is" is a monumental philosophical doctrine.

That's the answer the plebs usually get from the powers that be.

It's really disturbing how readily people accept any answers as is, without questioning them. I'd say they're in denial and just won't admit the show makers flipped us the bird.
That's slave mentality par excellence.

Epilogue.
Anyway, sentimental whiners will have shed pools of tears at the finale.
Well, that was the idea, wasn't it?


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30 comments:

  1. Oh, that's very depressing. I'm sure happy not to have TV.

    Having read all that, I feel downright sick and tired. Must recall something positive now, to forget soon:

    Yesterday I saw "Dakota" (1945) with with John Wayne - totally dominated by his wonderful headstrong young wife. It was quite funny: He always wanted to go to California, but she bought tickets for Dakota. Finally she bought a great big steamboat, without asking him. Well, he tried to scold her, but the steam-pipe was louder: you just saw his lips moving and she looked somewhere else. That was the end of that Western. - The evening before this, I screamed "yippeee!", when Jean Arthur put her rival-secretary over her knee - which actually is (as we all know) a typically masculine part in classic movies. It was a fairly good deed indeed, because that certain babytalk-doll got even on my nerves. After that pretty charming beating-up, and baby-doll did scram, followed a very decent happy end - just embracing, no kissing at all. Jean got her 'boss' – actually she was the boss, 'cause she was smarter. Plain embracing is healthier for actresses and actors ... stomach ulcer ... herpes ... - Well, we all know.

    Feeling better now.

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  2. You're right, it's depressing.
    It's true that embracing is much healthier for actors, besides old movie stars were able to convey the deepest feelings without overacting, or resorting to vulgarity and cheap pornography to attract viewers.

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  3. Just because you didn't understand what the show as about, doesn't mean you have to act like a bitter child throwing a fit. If only you did your research and actually paid attention throughout the entire series, you would have known the writers were hinting at DHARMA (the 8 told path to finding peace). Entire show has always been about finding redemption and getting to Nirvana. It's been alluded to and foreshadowed throughout every season. But of course, no, they were plagiarize a 2008 movie. Puh-lease.

    Honestly, I 100% respect your opinion. Art, whether it be TV, Movies, Music is subjective. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But it's clear that there are a bunch of details in LOST that you clearly missed or skimmed over, and are making sweeping claims such as "they stole this from someone else".

    Yeesh, I can't take this opinion seriously. You sound like a a little kid throwing a tantrum. That - is truly sickening. And btw, you got the entire afterlife stuff completely wrong -- but I doubt you would ever take the time to actually do research in what it really was.

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  4. Thanks for sharing your opinion, which I respect.
    Sorry to disagree, but looks like most fans are in denial and keep praising the show so that not to admit they’ve been duped. First, I don’t even consider it art, it’s just a botched up commercial product. I paid just enough attention to know that they flogged the same old cliché of plane crash victims plodding along the redemption road somewhere between this life and the point where it forks off in two directions: Paradise and Hell, that is, Purgatory.

    You sound like a teenager infatuated with their idol ;-) and unable to judge them critically. I actually loved the show at the beginning, but I find the finale imbued with cheap religious exaltation truly sickening. I do understand all these hints at Dharma and the stuff, but they proved totally irrelevant to the denouement.

    Did you actually see that 2008 movie? The ending is almost identical, there was also another movie about plane crash where the victims thought they were alive and it turned out they were dead, starring Robert Powell, etc, etc, etc. Like I said, if I were paid as much as the show’s writers I would’ve thrown up a better story, and so would you and most of fans. The point is that the writers/producers just didn’t care enough (due to slumping ratings, I guess) to give it a better closure, and as a viewer I feel I’ve been treated with disrespect. On the other hand , those who buy it probably deserve it.

    Since you seem to be such an expert, could you clear up why the Others feared Walt, where Charles Widmore and Eloise ended up (they weren’t too keen on leaving the Purgatory and rushing to the church), why Eloise was such a constant (my guess is the couple figured out how to sneak into the Limbo and stay there forever, looks like they didn’t believe in Nirvana), what Sawyer, Kate and the rest did after they left the island, why Charles Widmore, his gang, Ben, Jacob, Dharma initiative members and their caterers shuttled to and from the island, while others couldn’t, why Sayid didn’t end up with the love of his life, who was Jack’s son, how come they remembered and led different lives in the Limbo — was it an illusion, a dream, false memories? What about the people around them, were they an illusion too (like in Matrix?)
    Well, we can assume the island was some kind of back door to Paradise, hence the fierce struggle to control it and harness the “portal” (the military, Dharma, Widmore and the company, the Others etc).
    Anyway, to each his own.

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    1. The Others feared Walt because his powers were too much for him to control and he was a danger, the reason he had the powers in the first place is because he was born with a connection to the island, all humans have a spiritual connection to the light source inside the island, Walt, Desmond, Hurley, Locke, Miles and the Man in Black all had such gifts that they were either born with or gained later in life. Why is that so hard to believe? This is fiction, not a documentary, this show never claimed to be 100% realistic, the fact that a man in a wheelchair could suddenly walk and a living mass of black smoke, yep just like in real life! Also,the "flash sideways" universe is a shared dream state that is created from the combined consciousnesses of the spirits that exist in it. Not everyone we saw there was real, but a figment of their imagination, like Jack's son.

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    2. Like I said, most people won't admit they've been duped, since it makes them look kind of goofy. Stay in denial if it makes you happy.

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  5. Very refreshing to see such vivid speculations of probabilities about which possible events, whether true OR not, occured OR did not. Simply, I liked the interprete of every single actor and the output of every single character, and enjoyed the show without having the encumbrance of over-analysing every subtleties. I accept it as a fantasy story about a fantastic and important, larger-than-life fate of individual lives... I mean, we could all use that. Wouldn't it be wonderful to make a difference?

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  6. You know, even fairy tales have some inherent logic, no matter how surrealistic it may be. But this show is an insult to the viewers' intelligence.
    Now, if you watch it with your brain switched off...any storyline or ending fits in.

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  7. Yeah I know I am late, I watched all six seasons in a short period, initially hooked, then out of a need to try make sense of it all. The ending left me wishing I had never started watching. What a waste of time.

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  8. Better late than never, michael! At last someone who shares my view.

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  9. I agree with everything you said.
    The ending basically made most of what happened in the first 5 seasons completely and utterly pointless.
    What was the point of the cop chick? (Michelle Rodriguez)? She was completely unnecessary.
    What was the point of the team of scientists accompanying Faraday, and more specifically, what was the point of Myles and his ability to talk to the dead? None of that even ended up mattering whatsoever.
    And what about the "flash forward" scene in (if I recall correctly) season 4, where Jin is seen rushing to the hospital with a stuffed Panda, which to our surprise he presents not to his wife Sun, but to a mystery woman who is in labour. What the hell was that all about? We never found out.
    There seemed to be countless scenes like this one that raised baffling questions, yet never seemed to revisit them ever again.
    It's this simple.. The writers dug a six-year hole of unanswered questions, plot holes, loose ends, and unnecessary/pointless characters which they had absolutely no idea how to bring to a plausible conclusion.

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    1. Thanks for commenting -- one more person with common sense.
      You rightly pointed out yet more plot holes. As I already mentioned above, the show was a clear laugh in the viewers' collective face. The serial was just the creators' money-making strategy from the start: hook the audience with a messy jumble of characters, storylines, technobabble, mysteries and enigmas, create suspense and then don't even make the slightest effort to bring the show to any meaningful denouement — what’s the point? Dupes will buy it anyway.
      Thus all “the countless scenes that raised baffling questions” only can have answers along the lines of ‘because it/he/she/they did’; ‘it doesn’t matter’ or ‘we don’t need to know’.

      As for the cop chick and many other similar pointless characters, they probably slept their way into the show (common occurrence in Hollywood), and therefore characters are created for and tailored to them. Add into this mixture writers that come and go, each trying to pick up the mess left by their predecessors only to drag it into a deeper swamp, and you end up exactly as the title boded all along: LOST!

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  10. If you're going to write a blog that's bashing a series... make sure you actually know what you're talking about. Somebody really should let you know that the main characters did NOT I repeat NOT die in the crash! Get that through your head for starters. Look I'll agree that it was disappointing to not find out more than we did, but this show is not just about solving mysteries, it's a show about characters.
    Here is a basic rundown of what this show is about: The island exists in physical reality, it is the source of all the world's electromagnetism, inside every living thing is this same energy and is what prevents the evil inside of humans from taking over, thus if the island was ever destroyed we would become consumed by this darkness. The island must be kept a secret from the world or eventually humans would corrupt it, that is why it was so important to stop people like Charles Widmore from finding it. The black smoke is a part of the island and it's purpose is to scan the minds of those who arrive there to judge whether they are good or evil, if they fail the test they are killed. Jacob screwed up and accidentally fused his brother's soul to the island and he became the new smoke monster, but he was an abomination and carried around a "sickness" that brought out the darkness in people, if he was allowed to leave the island the sickness would spread and there would be no more good in the world. Jacob chose people who's lives needed to be fixed, and those pepole helped fix the curse that the island was infected with, if they had not crashed on the island and had never met each other their lives would have carried out towards a destructive path. All of these events really happened, Jack saved the island from being destroyed and the balance between light and dark was restored. After dying they woke up in another dimension of reality where they had no memory of their past lives but one by one they remembered and found each other again, they were reunited with the ones they lost and helped each other cross over.
    Cynical people would call this kind of ending lame and a cop out, but the true fans of this show who have grown fond of these characters can appreciate the touching sentiment of it, and there is no specific religious meaning attached to it, just because it is spiritual doesn't mean it's religious. If all that sounds like a show you'd rather avoid then that's your personal opinion, but don't give me this crap about "They had no idea how to ended so they went with the purgatory idea." How the fuck would any of you know what went through the writer's minds? Lighten up, get your facts right, and stop making out that a TV series wasted years of your life, go watch your reality TV shows or the countless unoriginal crime and hospital dramas if you can't handle something that dares to go outside the box.

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  11. Well, this is a good illustration of how people create their own truth and believe it. There is no worst blind than the one that does not want to see.
    Are you sure you saw the show?
    As far as I remember Mr Widmore has always known where the island was; somehow the black smoke failed to efficiently scan the minds of a whole host of evil people;
    how does Jacob's screw-up turning his brother into a monster make any sense? (BTW, it wasn’t a screw-up, but rather a cold-blooded murder); the “sickness” has always been in the world, so releasing smoke monster would not significantly change the status quo;
    who granted Jacob the moral authority to fix someone when he was the one who needed fixing in the first place;
    why would Jacob care about anyone’s destructive path?
    why would immortal Jacob need mortals’ help to save the island?
    not all of them reunited with those they lost in an “alternate reality”, aka purgatory, and some weren’t even keen on leaving (Eloise and Widmore, for example).

    All these inconsistencies insult any average adult’s intelligence, and all these “light and dark” and “good and evil” drivel only makes the show a sort of a fairy tale for kindergarten children (actually, I might have missed the screen displaying the “6” rating), and anyone with just a few functional brain cells grasped that the writers had neither will no way to meaningfully end the show, so the best way to dupe the dimwits was to cap the trash bin with purgatory.
    Thankfully, I haven’t watched the show for years, and frankly, it’s not much different from reality shows you rightly scorn. There’s nothing "outside the box" about this show, the idea is thousands of years old, and if you had read my post with more attention, you would have learned that it’s a rip-off.
    I have sad news for you — Santa Claus doesn’t exist!
    Grow up!

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    1. That's totally your opinion, Lost is clearly not your cup of tea, I don't know what it could have done differently to please you and all the other cynics but I think the storyline is a little above the "kindergarten" demographic. Widmore has not always known where it was, he was leader of the Others and lived there but that doesn't mean he knew the co-ordinates. The underwater station prevented the island from being detectable to the outside world, at the end of season 6 it was unblocked and Widmore could find the island. Also the Others are not allowed to be killed by the monster because there were certain rules it had to obey until Jacob was killed and then things changed. Jacob and his brother weren't allowed to kill each other, plus he needed someone to take his place in case he died, he was ageless but he wasn't invincible. The sickness I refer to is not simply evil, each human has a choice which path they choose, the smoke monster was able to bring out the evil in anyone it wanted, it turned an innocent person like Claire into a murderer. So I would consider that a pretty big threat to the outside world.

      Whatever the case, I don't understand your attitude though, just because this show was about supernatural themes you're speaking like it has no right to exist, anything that requires suspension of disbelief is just a waste of time right? You must really hate movies like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, the Marvel films and basically anything that dares to tread outside the realm of every day life. Go watch Grey's Anatomy or whatever.

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    2. You clearly miss the whole point, to please me the show could have simply made some sense and follow some logic. You seem to ignore the fact that Eloise did know where the island was and even forced the group back there for some unaccountable reason. Besides the members of the Dharma Initiative shuttled back and forth between the island and the rest of the world, so its position was no secret to many people. The monster had to obey some obscure rules, and like I said, the world is already evil enough for the monster to pose any serious threat to its stability. That’s precisely a childish vision of the world where people are corrupted by outside forces. However in real life people chose paths according to their personalities (there isn’t much choice there really), some have more inclination for evil than others. Claire wasn’t all that innocent, after all she was going to sell her baby.
      I do love supernatural themes, but you see, any moderately intelligent person usually wants a story, no matter how supernatural it may be, to make sense and this one just doesn’t. You got me wrong, I don’t mind you or anyone liking the show, I just say why I consider it a fraud. Trying to force your opinion on others is a sign of immaturity.
      Although I’m not too keen on Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and fantasy style in general, in other words, products basically aimed at teenagers, Lost is not a patch on these movies. My favourite genre is serious science fiction, if you know what this is. (BTW, I never watch stuff like Grey’s anatomy, so don’t make foolish assumptions) .

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  12. The show makes sense if you care enough to try and understand it, it's the type of show you have to watch a few times over to fully understand, clearly it just isn't your thing, which is fair enough, I'm not trying to force you to like the series. But as for the reasons you give why it doesn't make sense: Eloise only knew where the island was because she used a machine to locate it, and as I said before, there was about a 20 year period where the island had been hidden from such technology by the Looking Glass station Ben was using to block signals. As for the world being evil, are you saying that everyone in the world is a cold blooded killer? I know that evil already exists with or without the island, but things would have become a lot worse if the darkness had spread, I think you're underestimating this particular plot which is one of the most important storylines in the show. Perhaps "innocent" was the wrong word, but Claire was not an evil person, before she started hanging out with the smoke monster she never murdered people. I'll admit that some of the events that took place in the show were very vague and I don't quite get them, but the main elements of the story made enough sense to me. I hope you have a better understanding of these issues now, anything else?

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    1. I know it's hard to admit something you like doesn't make sense, but that doesn't mean others can't see how nonsensical it is. Using a machine to locate something means you can FIND it! And you deliberately overlook the fact that the members of Dharma initiative visited it whenever they wanted, bringing in new people, and they didn't even need a machine to locate it, a submarine travelled back and forth to the island without problems. And what about the food pipeline that kept working long after the Dharma was gone? Somehow it doesn’t strike you as illogical that the delivery guys had no problem finding the island.
      I guess you have no idea of the history of humankind, just looking back at the 20th century – dictators, wars, tyrants, concentration camps etc. – is enough for anyone with common sense to understand that no additional darkness could possibly produce more evil than already exists in he world, which makes the smoke monster and other Lost baddies just tinpot villains from a naive fairy tale.

      Indeed, not everyone in the world is a cold-blooded killer, but we all help to perpetuate the evil nolens volens (willy-nilly), and most of the worst things in the world have been done by apparently not so evil people.

      If you want to spread the darkness, you don’t have to release any additional monsters, just turn people loose, they’ll do the rest. But that wouldn’t be in evil’s best interest because the excess of evil destroys evil, and evil knows it.
      Anyway, you must be a teenager who still sees life through rose-coloured glasses.

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    2. Well it turned out that Jacob was secretly behind the food drops, so if anyone knows where the island is it's him. Again, I know the world is full of evil, always has been, but you're ignoring the fact that there are lots of good people too, the point of this storyline is that those people would turn evil as well, the very nature of good would have become extinct, maybe this seems corny to you but to me I think it's something worth fighting for. Whether or not there are certain aspects of the storyline here and there that are confusing, don't make sense, or are never explained, it doesn't mean the entire show is bad and a total waste of time like some people make out. This is the only issue I have with Lost-haters, they arrogantly believe that their opinion equals fact, it's not a story that everyone can appreciate. What annoys me is that people who have never seen the show will steer away from it because of blogs like this, written by people who didn't pay enough attention to get it, they should be able to watch it and make up their own minds. I'm not a teenager though, you don't have to be to like Lost, it's just one of those things people will always be divided over. I just think this show deserves to be defended against unfair criticism. Good day!

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    3. Yes, Jacob and the delivery guys knew where the island was, and the Dharma crew, too. The point of this storyline is absolutely false: intrinsically good people never turn evil (such people are very few and far between, btw), just as those who are intrinsically bad will never turn good. Not only do you prefer to ignore my reasoning in the previous answers, but you also overlooked the few lucid moments of the show itself. Remember that scene when Sahid says he wondered how he could have been able to commit all those atrocities in the past, but then he understood that some part of him always could? You see, human souls don’t come in just black and white, but rather in shades of grey.

      If the nature of good become extinct, evil would become extinct, too, because THE EXCESS OF EVIL DESTROYS EVIL. They coexist in a kind of symbiosis that we mere mortals, much as we try and fight, have no control over. All we can do is preach what we believe on the off chance that our flutter will set off some ripples.

      For the thinking people the show IS a waste of time (although it could have been a good show, but in the last season everything went down the drain), and I could also claim that Lost fans “arrogantly believe that their opinion equals fact”, and in my opinion (which I have the right to express like everyone else) only people with low standards who “didn’t indeed pay attention to get the show” appreciate such leg pulling.
      I’m glad if I managed to steer someone away from low quality consumer goods — that would urge the authors to make more effort next time.

      Now, if you are one of the creators of the show or involved in selling the DVD release, understandably you can’t be impartial and any criticism will seem unfair to you, so if you don’t like it you don’t have to read such blogs. What annoys me is that such junk helps to cultivate increasingly low standards and lack of criteria in the culturally and intellectually degrading society.

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  13. I don't agree with anything you said there, but I'm going to give up trying to make you understand, you're just one of those stubborn people who's ego won't allow them to accept the possibility that they aren't right and thus no words will ever be able to crack your field of pride. Your nitpicking over certain plot points is irrelevant to what is a brilliant TV show, is it perfect with no flaws? No, I'll be the first to admit that the show failed in certain areas, but that doesn't mean it was a waste of time for those who liked the characters and the mythology, but there those who just seem to really hate the show some reason and it's pointless trying to make them see what they're missing. But good luck on your crusade to try and stop everyone from watching shows you don't approve of. Adios.

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  14. Well actually, the part you said about "souls don't come in black and white but rather in shades of grey" makes sense, but it's not relevant to my point, which was that this paranormal infection causes people to take on the characteristics of the Man in Black, it changes them for the worse, they aren't who they once were. You're suggesting that if this curse was allowed to spread all over the world it wouldn't be a big deal. I just... I don't even... it baffles me why you're even arguing with this... but so be it.

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    1. Curses and monsters are for children’s fairy tales, not for adult individuals — I understand why my answers are too deep for you to grasp.
      “ You're just one of those stubborn people who's ego won't allow them to accept the possibility that they aren't right and thus no words will ever be able to crack your field of pride” — these words apply to you to a T (I guess you were describing yourself).
      I should give up trying to make you understand, too. It’s not about “nitpicking over certain plot points”, but about the fact that the show failed to convey any meaningful message.
      IT JUST DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE.

      I don’t hate the show, I just explain why I didn’t like it, but it's pointless to argue with someone who won’t see how nonsensical it is. It’s like explaining colours to a colour-blind person. I’m not on any crusade to put people off watching shows (I don’t take them so seriously), you’re actually flattering me if you really think that my modest writings can discourage people from watching the show. Thank you for holding me in such high esteem.

      Expressing my opinion and calling a spade a spade doesn’t mean I’m trying to win you over, but it’s ridiculous how you to try to force your opinion on others. Why does it bother you so much? Probably I was right about you having some vested interest in the show, that would explain your blind zeal.
      So let’s just agree to disagree.

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  15. If the show is so childish and beneath your intelligence why did you watch it for 6 seasons? You knew from season 1 that there was a "monster" and there were numerous other hints from the get go that the outcome wouldn't be the realistic explanation you hoped for. This is what baffles me about Lost haters, it's one thing simply to just not like a show for what it is, but if you watch the entire series for 6 years and then feel like it was a waste of time, who's fault is that? Also I am not at all involved with the show, I am just a fan that is willing to defend it from unfair criticism. I don't have anything against you as a person, perhaps I went too far with my personal attacks, I just feel that you aren't giving this show enough credit, it's more intellectual than a lot of shows on TV. I think the reason why so many viewers "Lost" interest is because the show was over their heads, they felt that the script should spell everything out for them instead of relying on the viewer to understand certain concepts like electromagnetism, physics, ancient mythology, so I guess I just don't get why someone like you, an educated person, can't appreciate the things this show was about. Anyway, yes we'll have to agree to disagree. There were things that bugged me about Lost but I'm glad I watched this series, that's just me.

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  16. P.S: Here's something else you got wrong about the finale
    "This show was obviously sponsored by the Vatican (at least it reeks of religious propaganda): six years of convoluted plot building up to some kind of Baptism followed by the glorious Ascension of the redeemed souls that found peace and love through apotheosis of faith in the bosom of Christianity, guided by a homegrown St. Peter, or Archangel Gabriel or whoever took on Christian Sheppard’s shape."
    Not only was that the real Christian Sheppard and not an angel assuming his form, but nowhere in the final episode does it say anything about Christianity being the key to entering heaven, watch that scene again, the church was made up of various religious symbols, not just Christian, it was to show that it doesn't matter which religion you belong to because they are all humanity's depiction of something we cannot comprehend. The church was just a meeting place where they were re-united in death so they could cross over. In life and in this purgatory land, they were judged by who they are and what they had learned, it was in no way suggesting Christianity is the only true path. Just thought that needed pointing out. I'm done now.

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    1. Do you actually read what I write? Looks like you’re talking to yourself, not that I care though. I said I didn’t watch the show for 6 seasons, just the last one, and I picked up the general plot of the show from what I heard from people and some reviews. It could have been a great show, but they totally screwed it. It started as something intellectual but ended up as a complete mess. Precisely because I understand some concepts of electromagnetism, physics and ancient mythology, since I studied them, I was disappointed by the turn the show took in the last season. That’s why many people liked the show at the beginning, but were grossly let down by the finale.

      The ideas of purgatory, redemption and ascension are closer to Christianity than to any other religion. BTW, I don’t remember seeing Jacob, cruel manipulator and ruthless murderer (remember Sahid’s love?), or his assistant in the church (not to mention his psycho mum, why weren’t they judged? Didn’t they need to cross over, too?

      I’m at a loss to understand what your problem is, much as you try I’ll never like the show, and it has received very fair criticism no matter how much that hurts your feelings. I’m give it exactly the credit it deserves, and unlike you I don’t mind you or anyone else liking it.

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  17. Well I did read it but judging from your outrage I thought you had watched it for 6 years, so you only watched season 6? Wow okay, that changes everything, how you even hoped to understand this show by only seeing the last season I don't understand, never mind. By the way, Jacob did not murder Nadia, it was explained in season 4 (Which you skipped) that someone intentionally ran her over and if Jacob had not distracted Sayid he would have been killed too. No offense Stella, but you cannot hope to understand this series by only watching the final season. I really don't know what else to say, nice talking with you.

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    1. I know how Nadia died, someone intentionally ran her over and if Jacob had not distracted Sayid he would have saved her. And why would someone intentionally run her over? Who ordered it? Jacob, for sure. I do understand the show very well, no need to watch all the seasons (no one remembers every detail anyway -- a general idea is enough for a reasonably intelligent person), that's why I see how nonsensical it is. I still don't have a clue why you care so much whether I like it or not, and your childish insistence that I don't like it because I don't understand is a clear sign of lack of arguments.
      Are you kidding me? To understand the show? For god's sake, it's not exactly rocket science.

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  18. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come#Flash-forward_.282005.29

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    1. Oh, please, the last thing I need is to visit old shows junkyard (although I appreciate the link).

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